Beeson Podcast, Episode #534 Reverend Dr. Tyshawn Gardner Feb. 1, 2021 >>Announcer: Welcome to the Beeson podcast, coming to you from Beeson Divinity School on the campus of 极乐禁地. Now your hosts, Doug Sweeney and Kristen Padilla. >>Doug Sweeney: Welcome to the Beeson Podcast. I鈥檓 your host, Doug Sweeney, here with my co-host, Kristen Padilla. This month, we begin our second annual African American Ministry Emphasis Month at Beeson Divinity School in conjunction with Black History Month. Each of the next four weeks we will invite African American alumni in ministry to share about their work and the things God is doing in their churches and other ministries. We have been praying that this series will inform, encourage, and inspire you in your walk with the Lord. Before Kristen introduces today鈥檚 guest, let me invite you to join us this spring semester, virtually, for community worship here at Beeson. The theme of our spring chapel series is, The Sinews of Scripture: Leading Doctrines of the Bible. We鈥檙e going old school, as we鈥檝e been saying, and showing people how to preach good sermons on Bible doctrine. We鈥檒l still be delivering substantial exegesis, explaining scripture in detail, in a manner that鈥檚 driven and controlled by scripture itself, but rather than preach biblical paragraphs verse by verse, as we usually try to do, this semester we鈥檒l choose major Bible doctrines, major Bible teachings, begin our sermons with crucial text in which those doctrines are laid out, and then reinforce those texts and the doctrines they commend with reference to other passages of the Bible. Just enough to make it clear that these doctrines pervade both the Old and New Testaments, functioning as the sinews of scripture. Our prayer is that this series will inform the Beeson family about the main teachings of scripture, show them how our doctrines have come from the Bible, explain to them the ways in which these doctrines are practical, and model how to apply Bible doctrine to our lives. We hope that you鈥檒l join us on Tuesdays at 11:00 AM for some wonderful biblical preaching at BeesonDivinity.com/live. Now, Kristen, would you please introduce today鈥檚 guest? >>Kristen Padilla: Hello, everyone. Welcome to today鈥檚 show. We have the Reverend Dr. Tyshawn Gardner. He is Senior Pastor of Plum Grove Baptist Church in Tuscaloosa, is the Vice President of Student Affairs at Stillman College, and (most importantly) is a Beeson Alumnus. He also is the Founder and CEO of the Citizen Impacting Community Association, which is a nonprofit dedicated to serving and empowering the intergenerational communities of West Tuscaloosa through a variety of academic and social programs and activities. And probably most important is Dr. Gardner is married to Sheryl and they have four children and three grandchildren. So, welcome, Dr. Gardner, to the Beeson Podcast. >>Dr. Gardner: Thank you so much for having me, Kris. >>Kristen Padilla: We are so glad to have you. I didn鈥檛 even mention in your bio, but something we鈥檙e going to ask you about later in the show, but you have also started teaching back here at Beeson as an adjunct and so you are a very busy person. We would love to hear just more about you. Where you are from? Anything about your faith journey and your family? >>Dr. Gardner: Yes. Thank you so much. Dean Sweeney, thank you so much. It鈥檚 an honor to be here with you in your presence. Kristen, I鈥檓 from rural Pickens County, Alabama. That鈥檚 about 45 minutes west of Tuscaloosa. I grew up on the state line of Alabama and Mississippi, rural Pickens County. From there, grew up there 18 years old, after high school went to the US Navy where I served in Operation Desert Shield, Desert Storm, four years active, two Mediterranean cruises, came back home in 1995 two years after I got out of the Navy, active duty Navy, I received a call to preach. Shortly after that I moved to Tuscaloosa. And we鈥檝e been here since. My childhood was one of deep faith. My mother raised us in the Church. My mother and father still live in Pickens County. But yeah, we were very involved in the Church. In anything National Baptist we were a part of it. We ate it, we lived it, we breathed it, we are very involved in the Church. Mother just set a very fine example of what it means to be faithful to the Lord and faithful to family and those around us as well. >>Doug Sweeney: What a blessing. Dr. Gardner, could you tell us just a little bit more about your call to pastoral ministry? Was it the Plum Grove Church that brought you to Tuscaloosa? And did that happen right as you were feeling the Lord tugging you into pastoral ministry? Or how did that all take place? >>Dr. Gardner: Yes, sir. Dean Sweeney, I was a bi-vocational pastor. So, I came to Tuscaloosa as an Associate Pastor of the Mount Pilgrim Baptist Church in Northport. I served there for a number of years before being called to Plum Grove. I love to tell this story. An amazing man, one that鈥檚 had perhaps one of the greatest impacts on my life besides my pastor in the ministry and my father in ministry, Walter Lane Robertson was the Pastor of Plum Grove Baptist Church. Pastor Robertson is the father of Timothy Robertson and the father-in-law of [Kokeisha 00:06:13] Bailey Robertson. Both of whom are 2007 graduates of Beeson. But Pastor Robertson called me in the year 2000 to come and preach for him. Instantly I fell in love with him and it was a brotherly love. A year later he invited me to come and serve him as Assistant Pastor. Pastor Robertson had Parkinson鈥檚 disease. But I learned from him the faithfulness of God, even in the midst of personal difficulty. So, I served him for two years as his assistant. Then in January 2003 I commenced my journey as the Senior Pastor of Plum Grove Baptist Church. >>Kristen Padilla: As I mentioned in your bio, we are so proud that you are a Beeson alumnus, having earned your MDiv degree in 2014. I would love to hear what led you to Beeson and I believe that you continued serving as a pastor while you were a student. I would love to hear about that experience of studying at Beeson and also serving as pastor. And how the two complimented one another. >> Dr. Gardner: Yeah, so I鈥檝e been in love with 极乐禁地 a long time. (laughs) Even back when I was in the Navy, before I really knew 极乐禁地. But I mentioned being called into ministry in 1995. And my father in ministry was Frank Kennedy Jr., who is a three time graduate of 极乐禁地. One of 极乐禁地鈥檚 schools. But he also graduated from Beeson around 2000, 2001, I think. But his example of faithfulness and what it means for especially African American pastors to make those sacrifices to further their theological education in a formal way. And so he was my influence and probably the greatest influence of pastoral and preaching ministry that I鈥檝e had. So, him having studied at Beeson really influenced me to consider going there after, of course, undergrad and some time after my ... well into my pastoral ministry. But balancing that, it is a balancing act; one that I could not even think about doing without the love of my wife, her support, unselfish, the understanding, the patience of my kids. It was grueling, as we know. Beeson can be. (laughs) But through the grace of God, a supportive family, I have really, I was really blessed to matriculate there. I think for me my theological education at Beeson has simply led to a deeper appreciation and commitment to the pastoral office. So, seeing that I am a part of a long list and lineage of faithful pastors throughout church history really deepens my commitment to the Lord. Also, Beeson has increased my awareness and understanding for community. What it means to live in community. What it means to live in community with people different. So, there at Beeson I鈥檝e gained an appreciation for people of different faith traditions, interdenominational multiculturalism. So, that鈥檚 what Beeson has meant to me and probably perhaps among the biggest influences is a deeper appreciation for preaching the gospel of Christ. >>Doug Sweeney: Dr. Gardner, that鈥檚 a great segue to the next question I wanted to ask you. I want to get you to talk with our listeners just a little bit more about preaching itself, because I know not only are you a fine preacher you鈥檙e an expert in preaching, you went from Beeson and did a PhD in Christian Preaching at Southern Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky 鈥 where you focused on social crisis preaching rhetoric in the African American preaching tradition. And then the preaching of Kelly Miller Smith Sr., in particular. Can you tell us a little bit more about what you learned there? Can you tell listeners ... Probably we鈥檝e got some White listeners who aren鈥檛 used to hearing about social crisis preaching. So, if you could tell them what that is and commend it to them, that would be helpful. Then if you forget I鈥檒l ask you this one again later, but I also want you to tell our listeners who was Kelly Miller Smith and what do we need to know about him? >>Dr. Gardner: Right. Let me start with that, if it鈥檚 okay, Dean Sweeney. I didn鈥檛 know ... I prided myself in being a student of African American history and African American religion. But to my shame, I didn鈥檛 know Kelly Miller Smith until Dr. Robert Smith introduced me to him and said that, 鈥淭his is someone I would like for you to get to know.鈥 So, the more I read, researched, it was without a shadow of a doubt who I wanted to focus my research on. The Lyman Beecher lectures at Yale has got about a 150 year history. In that 150 year history only 13 African Americans have delivered those distinguished lectures. And Kelly Miller Smith is one of them who delivered the Lyman Beecher lectures at Yale in 1983. So, he was the distinguished pastor of First Baptist Church, Capitol Hill, in Nashville, Tennessee. A personal friend of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and something many people don鈥檛 know, he was the architect of the [inaudible 00:12:11] movement. So, we hear a lot about direct non violent resistance in the 鈥60s. Kelly Miller Smith and is work training there at First Baptist Capitol Hill, really made that a non violent tactic. One that was very effective in integrating department stores and lunch counters there in Nashville. So, beyond that, what really made the connection with me for Kelly Miller Smith is that he remained a pastor throughout his years of activism and academic work. He was faithful to his calling as a pastor. Pastor at First Baptist Capitol Hill for 33 years, except for three months when he went to Antioch Baptist Church in Ohio, got there, realized that his work in Nashville was not done, the church was so gracious they called him back and the rest is history. So, that鈥檚 who Kelly Miller Smith is. His Lyman Beecher lectures, of course, was entitled, 鈥淪ocial Crisis Preaching.鈥 I鈥檒l segue to say what social crisis preaching is, as defined by Kelly Miller Smith, it is the preaching of that which is crucially relevant within the context of the Christian gospel in times of upheaval and stress. So, social crisis preaching is biblical preaching. I don鈥檛 like to view it as something other. But it is bringing the gospel of Christ to bear, to humanity in these critical times. Some of which we are experiencing right now. So, that鈥檚 really what it鈥檚 about. At Southern, you know the finest scholars, Robert Vulgal or Herschel York, so many people there who really pushed and challenged me not just to get by, but to really excel. And I want to backtrack to say this: without Beeson Divinity School I would not have been able to be ... I hate to use the word 鈥渟uccessful.鈥 That鈥檚 not a good word. But faithful in my studies at Southern. Beeson really prepared me in writing, in forming arguments, the languages of course, to do the work that God allowed me to do at Southern Seminary. I鈥檓 grateful for that. >>Kristen Padilla: Thank you for that, Dr. Gardner. I would love to hear a little bit more about the social crisis preaching, especially as it relates to the social crises that we鈥檝e had this past year. I mean, what a year it has been for all of us, and especially for those in ministry and pastoral ministry. What does has this type of preaching, or has biblical social crisis preaching looked like in your ministry this year? Maybe you can give some examples of what it looks like? Why is this important? And maybe any kind of encouragement to those pastors listening who might be afraid of preaching in this way? >>Dr. Gardner: Right. So, Kristen, I want to drive this home. The most important thing that we have to understand about social crisis preaching is one earns the right to be prophetic by being pastoral. And that points to love. When you love people, when you love all people, you earn a hearing. So, Kelly Miller Smith defines this as the pre sermon functionality of a pastor. It is the pastor鈥檚 involvement, not only in the community but in the lives of his people, that gives one leverage and license to speak to very sensitive social issues. Because at the end of the day, what it鈥檚 really about, people need to hear a Word from the Lord. And they need to trust the herald from which that Word is coming. So, remembering that we are first and foremost heralds of the gospel, as John Piper reminds us in his book. We are not professionals. Right? And so what that means to me, social crisis preaching is not civic discourse, it is not political pontification, it is not angry rhetoric, it is a sharing of the gospel and explaining from the Word of God 鈥 and that is the most important part, it鈥檚 biblical. It does not take a theme from CNN or FOX News, but it鈥檚 anchored in the Bible. What it means for us in the Body of Christ to live out the Christian love ethic. What is that like? If we鈥檙e justified, what is that like? How do we live that out in the marketplace, where we learn, where we pray, where we eat/shop, where we worship? Social crisis preaching is that. I understand that there are brothers and sisters of all persuasions that have some trepidation and some fear about this. And I think some of that is healthy, because when one enters into addressing social issues you cannot be emotional. You cannot get even your preferences tied up into the preaching experience. So, some of that is a healthy fear that allows us to discard our presuppositions and our own prejudices that we bring to culture and the text. But it is trusting God. It is Jeremiah that cries out, 鈥淭his word is shut up in my bones,鈥 and we have to speak to the relevance of the moment. So, for me, it鈥檚 bringing the gospel to bear on the social issues. Because we live in society. We are not in Heaven. We live out our justification right here in a social context. So, if the gospel is not relevant to how I vote, what worldview I espouse, how I view my neighbor, how I treat them, in light of disagreements, how we leverage personal responsibility 鈥 because prophetic preaching is not only speaking truth to power, but it鈥檚 also speaking truth to the powerless. So, those are just a few scattered thoughts of what I can offer about social crisis preaching. >>Doug Sweeney: That鈥檚 good. And you mentioned a few minutes ago our credibility as preachers is related to the way in which we care for people all the time. But I鈥檓 thinking, especially about in times of crisis, I don鈥檛 have to persuade anybody listening to this show right now that 2020 was a year full of social crisis. All kinds of racial injustice. All kinds of political turmoil. And that鈥檚 not even mentioning the COVID epidemic we鈥檙e all suffering under right now, and have been suffering under for several months now. What鈥檚 pastoral care like in the midst of a year like 2020 for you? And do you have some advice for maybe especially younger up and coming pastors when it comes to what鈥檚 needed in terms of pastoral care when times get really tough? >>Dr. Gardner: Dean Sweeney, I would offer young pastors the advice to stay close to the cross, to know your demographic. It鈥檚 so easy in these times to get caught up in fads, in what Dr. Smith calls 鈥済immicks and gadgets,鈥 because we do a lot of social media preaching. But you have to know your congregation. So, if you have an older congregation that may not be technologically savvy, it鈥檚 knowing that so that we have the faithfulness to them to deliver this Word in a way that reaches them. So, I would say know your demographic. Remember and keep the people of God reminded in times like these where there is so much turmoil that God is sovereign, that he is in control, he has not removed himself nor has he given up his throne. So, for me, that鈥檚 what it鈥檚 been like in this pandemic. This pandemic has been a blessing. We鈥檝e slowed down significantly. And that鈥檚 given me an opportunity to re-connect deeper with my wife, with my children, with the Lord, right, to understand that life is but a vapor. And some of the things that we are worried about as pastors when we get into the competitive nature of pastoring, really, we find out in times like these it鈥檚 really not important. What is important is allowing God鈥檚 people to see, feel, and know the love of God in Christ Jesus. So, keeping the main thing the main thing is what I offer pastors. Nothing deep, but sometimes we forget those very, very general and foundational truths. >>Kristen Padilla: I mentioned that in addition to being a pastor you serve as a Vice President at Stillman College. I would love for you to tell our listeners a little bit about the history of Stillman College. Especially for those who are not familiar with this institution. What do you do there? And how does your work as a pastor compliment the work that you do at this college? >>Dr. Gardner: Yes. So, Kristen, Stillman College is a historically Black college or university, a small liberal arts college. It was founded in 1876 by a White Presbyterian Pastor, Charles Stillman, who really was a social crisis preacher in 1876, before it was popular. If you go back to my sermon that I preached at Beeson, Dr. Stillman braved a very hostile crowd in Tuscaloosa to found a school to educate Black preachers during that time. So, Stillman began as a training institute for African American pastors and preachers. It has blossomed into a liberal arts college that serves the wider community and people from all over the United States and we do have an international presence as well. I serve as the Vice President for Student Affairs, and so I鈥檓 involved in all that makes for a robust, healthy student life where I manage athletics, also campus security, and all the things that come with student affairs. But the connecting point is community. I pastor in a predominantly Black neighborhood where there is a lot of blight. There is a lot of poverty. There is a lot of injustice. And so the work that I do at Stillman in affirming and empowering and showing the love of Christ is directly related to what I do at Plum Grove as a Pastor and in the community as an organizer, a worker, and a builder of community. So, Stillman is located right in the midst of west Tuscaloosa. My church is actually one mile from Stillman College. So, in this way, serving the African American community by emphasizing the importance of education, ensuring that the families that send their children to Stillman College know that they are in a place where they鈥檙e going to be nurtured and loved also is in harmony with what I do as a pastor. >>Dean Sweeney: Dr. Gardner, regular listeners to this podcast may recall that last fall you and Dr. Smith taught a course on the African American Church for the first time here at Beeson. We are committed to offering that class every year moving forward. I鈥檓 not sure we鈥檝e had a chance on the podcast to let people know quite how popular it was. But the word on the street, the word in the hallways of Beeson Divinity School, is it鈥檚 one of the best classes these students have ever had. So, help the rest of us out a little bit who are teaching classes these days. What鈥檚 the magic sauce there? What did you do in that class? What were you trying to accomplish? More importantly, how do you feel like the Lord was using it? What got done there? >>Dr. Gardner: The magic sauce is Robert Smith Jr., that鈥檚 it. Okay? (laughs) But early on, Dr. Smith and I wanted this to be more than a class on the history of the Black church. We wanted it to be transformational. We wanted to establish some transparency, to let our students know that you could be honest and open about your convictions, your theological convictions, and I think that was the secret there. That was the key of providing a very firm and safe learning environment for our students. But what we wanted to do is also help all of our students to know that the Black church has so much in common with the church of other dominant ethnicities and races, right? But also we wanted our students to gain an appreciation for the Black Church and what God has done through this church, through our history. When we look at the 鈥50s, 鈥60s, 鈥70s of the United States of America, where would we be without those disciples in the Black church, braving threats, marching, advocating for fairness and equality and equity? We wanted our students to have an appreciation, but also to let them know that some of that same spirituality that fueled and gave strength to the Black church. The Black church does not have a monopoly on that, right? That鈥檚 transferrable to every race, every culture, every ethnicity 鈥 and the Black church is a welcoming place. So, we wanted that to be the experience and I am very humbled to be a part of it. We have an awesome, awesome student body. People like Isaiah, Corey, Samuel 鈥 so many of those leaders that are very conscious and very sharp minds as well made it what it was. So, I give credit to Dr. Smith and to our awesome students. >>Kristen Padilla: Dr. Gardner, we always like to end these shows hearing about God鈥檚 work in and through your life. So, what is God doing in your life these days? What is he teaching you? >>Dr. Gardner: Oh, more than ever, humility and grace. Kristen, I鈥檓 working on a couple of books. So, I鈥檝e gotten a couple of book proposals accepted. One by Broadman Holman, the other by Fortress Press. I鈥檓 writing also some book reviews. So, in that the Lord is showing me that I don鈥檛 deserve that. And since I don鈥檛 it is incumbent upon me to really be faithful to it, to block out the noise and realize that this is my service to the Kingdom of God. So, that鈥檚 what the Lord is teaching me. And also to pass it on. I want to do for other young preachers and other students what men like Walter Lane Robertson, Frank Kennedy Jr., Frank Kennedy Sr., Robert Smith did for me. Because there鈥檚 no way that I鈥檓 having this awesome interview with you and Dean Sweeney without those people. So, I鈥檓 committed and God is impressing in my life to invest in other people for the glory of God and the continuation of the Body of Christ. >>Dean Sweeney: That鈥檚 a great word. Listeners, you have been listening to the Reverend Dr. Tyshawn Gardner, Senior Pastor of the Plum Grove Baptist Church in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. He鈥檚 also the Vice President of Student Affairs at Stillman College. He鈥檚 also sometimes a professor here at Beeson Divinity School. He wears many other hats, involved in civic leadership in Tuscaloosa and elsewhere. We鈥檙e really proud to say he鈥檚 a Beeson alumnus. He鈥檚 such a busy guy. We鈥檙e grateful to him for giving us a little bit of time this afternoon. We鈥檙e confident that the words that he shared with you are a blessing and the Lord will use them to edify you as you try to follow the Lord鈥檚 leading in your own life moving forward. So, thank you, Dr. Gardner, for being with us. And to our listeners, we are praying for you. We love you. Please pray for us. And goodbye for now. >>Kristen Padilla: You鈥檝e been listening to the Beeson podcast. Our theme music is written and performed by Advent Birmingham of the Cathedral Church of the Advent in Birmingham, Alabama. Our engineer is Rob Willis. Our announcer is Mike Pasquarello. Our co-hosts are Doug Sweeney and, myself, Kristen Padilla. Please subscribe to the Beeson podcast at www.BeesonDivinity.com/podcast or on iTunes.